Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:50:40 am

Debb wrote:Carter: Why should I vote for you when you said at one point to me that you didn't care about winning anymore? Also, name at least 2 occurrences where you made a move or came up with an idea for a move that didn't come from me first. Thirdly, please butter me up and tell me how my game here was so much better than it was in Nepal.

Cochran: I appreciate how hard you played, but your game was just riddled with mistakes from the tribe swap all the way through the merge. I want you to name to me your three biggest mistakes, and then I want you to tell me how you recovered from those mistakes to survive in the game. Second, if I hadn't flipped on Chad, what would have been your preferred F3?

Ralph: If you didn't have any pre-existing friendships coming into the game, I want you to tell me what placing you would have wound up in. And if you try telling me you still would have made the F3, or even the jury - you instantly lose any chance you may have had at my vote. Also, tell me which 2 jurors you think you would have had the best shot at to win in the finals.



Bonus points for anyone who has the time to write up the nastiest Debb poem/story that mankind has ever seen. Hint - it should somehow involve Mia and Papa Bear.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Cochran » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:53:06 am

Carter wrote:I definitely think I could've made it here without Cochran. The relationships that I had built with Debb, Ralph, Chad, you, and Ashley had me feeling safe for a while at the merge, and I would have been more than willing to work with Lisa in that instance.


I just want to say here that I think that this statement might be true, but the way that I set up the end game made it so that Carter could ONLY make it to the end with me. I was a major push in getting rid of Jo and Ashley, two people he seemed to be close too, and after he lost Sarah to rocks, he didn't really have many options besides voting with Mia, who obviously wouldn't stick with him seeing that she hated him and what he did here.

Could he have made it with out me? Eh, maybe, but I didn't give him that chance, that was a big point of this whole game for me.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Debb » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:55:59 am

Oh woops I was here I was just reading your responses. Answer my questions awesome bitches, my vote is still in the air!
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Mia » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:56:20 am

Can you tell them to stop being pussies and responding to each other when there are ACTUAL JURY QUESTIONS to respond to? For fucks sake.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:56:21 am

Okay so I fi came in without knowing anyone no doubt in my mind I don't make it this far. I think Vytas type placement though or sarahs placement at best. but that's the thing. this is gonna sound silly but I didn't come in with no one knowing me. i can in with most people knowing me. and I used that to my advantage. If I didn't know anyone then my whole game would've been different and i wouldn't of played Ralph so goofy like. first impressions is a huge thing and I feel that if I came into this game not knowing anyone i still have an okay chance at merge. not as good of a chance but still a chance.
As for which two jurors have the best shot I'd say Mia and Sarah. Sarah came 10th so I know what you're thinking but sarah is an easily likable person with a great reputation behind her and already made a moves coming in 10th.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:00:06 am

here's a three lined poem

the salty fragrance of a mans sweat.
who do i seek but the big poppa
put your hands in the air if your a true player

- mia

see how i stuck it in there.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Debb » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:00:25 am

Ralph, I meant which two jurors would you have had the best chance against in the f3.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:00:43 am

ohohohohohoho my bad I'll answer again!
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Carter » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:03:23 am

I need to clear the air about the whole "me being gamed out" and "me not caring about winning" comments. Was there a time when I was exhausted and wanted the game to be over? Yes. Was I more excited for the end than the current day sometimes? Yes. Did I ever actually not care about winning? Absolutely not. If nothing else, it was a poor and inaccurate choice of words. I loved playing this game the first time I played, and I had a blast here as well. I was exhausted, busy with real life, stressed out to the max, and I just wanted one less thing to think about, but I never meant to make it seem like I didn't care about the game.

The Vytas vote was one move that was my idea, and the PM that was sent to you, Cochran, and Ralph after the Jo vote was also mine. Everyone had been talking about how it was shaping up to be Debb/Carter versus Cochran/Ralph with a race to see who could secure the votes of the stragglers, so I just nipped that thought in the bud and made sure us four were all on the same page, that the air had been cleared between everyone from things that had been said by ourselves and others at tribal, and it really made us realize that we had to work together instead of against each other if any of us wanted to win. Us 4 were seen as the evil empire at that point, and if anyone outside of that group had gotten to the FTC alongside any 2 of us, I guarantee it would be a unanimous victory for the outsider. It may not have worked as cleanly as I had hoped and envisioned it would have, but I think without that message, the group sitting here looks different in some way/shape/form, even if it's only me being replaced with a more formidable foe for the other two.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:04:17 am

which two jurors would you have had the best chance against in the f3.


I think I had the best chances winning against cochran and Carter. That's why I was so gung ho about being in the final 3 with them. Cochran and me made all the same moves so in my eyes it came down to personality and who people got along with. I'd like the beleive that I get along with most people and I mean in these games I like to go back and think that it's for 1 million dollars. and If everyone on the jury is voting for someone to win 1 mil I think the voting would be a little more bitter. Cochran may get more hate and I think the hate votes to him would go to me. For Carter I think me and him are both seen as goats and we decided early on that we should end together since we're both seen as goats and goats have to stick together!
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Cochran » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:04:36 am

Debb wrote:
Cochran: I appreciate how hard you played, but your game was just riddled with mistakes from the tribe swap all the way through the merge. I want you to name to me your three biggest mistakes, and then I want you to tell me how you recovered from those mistakes to survive in the game. Second, if I hadn't flipped on Chad, what would have been your preferred F3?


I don't exactly agree with my game being riddled with Mistakes. I don't think I made too many actually, even though obviously there are two that come to mind. 1. The F12 tribal council. I should have thought more about what could have potentially happened if Lisa had the idol, I didn't and I am very lucky that Sarah was smart enough to see what was going to happen and planned accordingly. 2. Thinking Lisa had the HII at F11. I was so scared of the same shit happening again when I saw that I was potentially her target again (or Ralph was) So I insisted that a move had to be made, not eve considering that Ken had an idol. I wouldn't even consider that as a mistake though really, because I had targeted Mia the round before, and obviously it didn't hinder me too much, because I was able to recover, keep our alliance in tact and get us all to go to Rocks for Ralph.

I guess mistake 3 was trusting you at F7. I had Chad saying that he felt good about you, and even though I was wary I let it roll (of course, I told everyone about my idol and that I would play it so that I wouldn't get targeted there, but still) How I bounced back? Well I voted you out the next vote, and put myself in a spot where I figured that Carter HAD to vote with me for one more vote, getting me to the F4. If you hadn't flipped, then it would be Ralph Chad and I. you made the right move there, I can't knock you for that, I just had it set up so that it would be with the wrong people.

Debb wrote:Bonus points for anyone who has the time to write up the nastiest Debb poem/story that mankind has ever seen. Hint - it should somehow involve Mia and Papa Bear.


Yeah, same thing as Coby last season I am really not good with this kind of stuff.

All Papa bear does is eat shit all day.
He wouldn't have it any other way.
Whenever he wants more he'll say
"More Mia! More for Papa"
He starts to convulse, and just can't stop, uh,
Mia appears from his ass, smells like gas
And gives him a brand new play.....te.

Close enough? Kind of nursery rhyme-ish, idk.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:05:40 am

the cat in the rat hat jumped over the mat
penis penis penis penis penis

- shakespeare
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:10:34 am

Okay, thanks Debb.

last but definitely not least, it's everyone's favorite attention whore!

Mia, the floor is yours yet again.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Carter » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:12:00 am

Debb, I forgot to suck up

Holy shit, your game was night and day from Nepal. You went from what I thought was a gimmicky sidekick to Jeff to a real force to be reckoned with in this game, and I am so glad that I was side by side with you for the entire ordeal. You've been an amazing player and an even better friend throughout this game, and I really can't thank you enough for that. You were in the loop, people wanted to work with you rather than going to someone before you, and you were only booted because you were a real threat to win this game (I think) rather than because of some stupid blowup/miscommunication that could have easily been prevented. Great game, my friend
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Mia » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:14:04 am

Okay, I have an actual question, but I need to make a few ~statements~ first.

Cochran: Your answer about pussying out and not taking me to the final three is SUCH a copout. Nobody would have made you go F4 with Ken and I. And I beleive I told you that if you offer me the chance to go to the Final 3 with you, I'll vote however you want. Weakening my own game. And I even turned myself into a huge cunt to psis off jury members, and trust me, it worked. Chad, Debb, Carter, Katie... (Ashley, if the bitch was here) would have never voted for me. You could have taken me to the Final 4 with Carter and Ralph and you'd still be fine. So to me, really, you're just showing that you were a complete pussy and too scared to face off. I actually suggested a Final 3 of me, Debb, and you, and you shot it down. You were scared.

Carter and Ralph, can you each tell the jury something personal about me and my life? I know you both took at least some time for that, so why don't oyu share and make Cochran look like a fool here?

Questions forthcoming. Don't worry, they're quick.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Mia » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:15:38 am

I'm going to just cut to the chase here. This final three is honestly the worst imaginable outcome that could have been predicted coming into this game. And even though I believe it to be true, I'm not saying this because you three are horribly undeserving and pathetic. I'm saying it because this season has seen SO many more deserving players and moves than you three exemplify. I HONESTLY believe that every juror played the game much better and much more excitingly than you three did. So this is a sad, pathetic, and frustrating way for this season to end. I care about this series a lot, and although SOME jurors will call that into question based on my "behavior," it's 100% true so I fucking hate seeing the three of you sit up there.

Anyways, my vote is 100% live for any of the three of you. I have no problem giving it to any of you at this point. From what I can tell, this jury is very divided, and no, you do NOT have a guaranteed win here Cochran. So I hope all three of you can follow the guidelines I'm giving you to make this a healthy competition for my vote.

Carter: WHY? Seriously, why? I almost just don't fucking care, that's how insulting it is for you to be sitting up there. WHY agree to play if you aren't here to play hard, to make moves, to do something worthy of your all star spot? I think you mentioned that you didn't think you deserved to come back in the first place. So if you truly believe that, WHY the hell WOULD you come back? Save room for people that DO think they should be here and DO want to play hard. I mean, it's cute that you're here to make friends, but fuck, there's ways to do that and STILL play hard in a way that deserves to be recognized. Some of my BEST friends in the ORG world are sitting here with me on the jury, and some are sitting in the Loser's Lodge. I always play as hard as I fucking can, and I still made friends. So whatever excuse it was that you gave me feels like total bullshit.

And then, the other night, when I asked you just to give me the CHANCE to fight for this and let me go to the Final 4. I hated being reduced to begging, but whatever, I was going to do anything I could to stay in the game. You told me that night that you sympathized with me and whatever, but you were going to still vote me out because you thought you had at least a small chance to win. So I'm getting conflicting stories here. And because of that, I'm going to need you to pick between one of two pre-constructed Mia answers. Don't give me any other bullshit because I don't want to see it. Here are your choices:

Choice A: "I really was just here to make friends. I didn't deserve to return, an therefore, I don't deserve to win. Please don't vote for me tonight.
Choice B: "I actually kind of DID want this. I DID want to win, and I tried. Except, I completely failed because I played horribly and would not make a very good winner. But, I still made it to the Final 3, so you should consider voting for me.

There you have it. Pick one. Post it as a response. And don't say anything else, or you'll lose a shot at my vote.

Ralph: When I was on Refuge, I had the "luxury" of hearing about both tribes, first when I was able to talk to everyone myself, and second, when other Refugees began to slowly join the tribe. And what I heard about you was really just not great at all. Continually, I heard that you were boring, weak, and that you were a wallflower. And I didn't even NEED to hear from people to know that you were blindly following Cochran around without a care in the world. However, when we finally met up at the merge, and after we landed on different sides of the numbers, we were able to start talking again and "open up." I honestly think you completely mistook our conversation. You called it "The Queen's Speech," and I think that's true. The only problem is that you thought you were the king, when in reality, you would have been lucky to have been called the court jester in that analogy. I told you to step it the fuck up and to start playing for yourself. You call that your "inspiration" to really get your head in the game. It's honestly laughable to me because you didn't chance one fucking bit after that, and you really seem to think that you did. You just flat out didn't. Everyone ran circles around you CONSISTENTLY. It was a joke.

Now, I consider you a friend, but you were so similar to Carter here that it's not even funny.The difference between you and Carter here is that you acted like you deserved to be here, which I appreciate. But it wasn't enough. So I'm going to give you the EXACT same choices as Carter gets. Same rules apply. Pick one choice, and don't say anything else.

Choice A: "I really was just here to make friends. I didn't deserve to return, an therefore, I don't deserve to win. Please don't vote for me tonight.
Choice B: "I actually kind of DID want this. I DID want to win, and I tried. Except, I completely failed because I played horribly and would not make a very good winner. But, I still made it to the Final 3, so you should consider voting for me.

Cochran: I'm going to stand by my assessment of you as a player. Pathetic, delusional, and entitled. "But hey! That sounds an awful lot like you, Mia!" you might say. I guess I can agree with tat, but the big difference here is that I fucking OWN it. You just really have this air about you where you walk around here and act like things that don't directly benefit you in this game are completely preposterous and alien and don't make any fucking sense, as if someone could DARE to try and take your win away from you! Unfortunately, I was reduced to a position in this game where I ALSO had to act like that. Hell, it seemed to be working for you, so maybe it would keep me in the game long enough to get myself closer to the end. And hey, it worked for me as well. It's disheartening and frustrating to see that this is the kind of mentality that works in this game, but the worst part is that you're just unaware of it all and you really feel like you were some big, important mastermind. Nope, you weren't.

So here's where we're at. We had a lot of conversations about how regardless of win or lose, you shaped a big part of this season. That was just me trying to stroke your ego to stay in the game (well, okay, maybe it was...) but yes, it's true. Just not for the reasons you think it is. You had a huge influence on this game, just in such a weak and pathetic way that it wasn't even funny. You chose weak allies. Consistently went the safe route. You took no risks. And I guess it worked because you made it to the end. I don't know what else to say. Your gameplay was just weak and horribly uninspiring, as evidenced by the two people you're sitting next to here at the Final 3.

Unlike Ralph and Carter, you don't get a choice here. You have one option if you want my vote. If you choose to take it, you'll get my vote. If not, it's going to either Ralph or Carter. And again, this jury is VERY close to voting against you. VERY close. So I urge you not to ignore any opportunity for a vote tonight. Anyways, this is what I want. In LARGE, BOLD, CAPITAL LETTERS, I want you to declare the following:

"I was too scared to sit in the Final 3 with Mia. Instead, I decided to follow a weak strategy of taking two of the biggest goats in the game to the end so I could get an easy win. If I win this game, it is only because of this pathetic strategy.

There you have it. I've given all of you some pretty cut and dry options here. Like I said, my vote is LIVE for any of the three of you, but the only way to get it is to do what I've asked. The last thing I'm going to ask you all to do is to rank all 9 jurors, from best to worst. I don't want any reasoning or justification, I just want a list. Put some thought into it, because this could all come down to these lists. Again, follow my rules or lose my vote.

For the last time, Mia out.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Mia » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:16:12 am

Just emphasizing again that my vote can LITERALLY go to anyone here.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:16:19 am

Sweet my time to shine Man! Mia you just got accepted into a school! we talked about it in detail and i talked to you about my law class afterwards! also it's a little smaller but your also really good at pumping me up and you love this game with all your heart!
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Ralph » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:19:01 am

I pick choice B!

Choice B: "I actually kind of DID want this. I DID want to win, and I tried. Except, I completely failed because I played horribly and would not make a very good winner. But, I still made it to the Final 3, so you should consider voting for me.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Cochran » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:21:43 am

Mia wrote:Okay, I have an actual question, but I need to make a few ~statements~ first.

Cochran: Your answer about pussying out and not taking me to the final three is SUCH a copout. Nobody would have made you go F4 with Ken and I. And I beleive I told you that if you offer me the chance to go to the Final 3 with you, I'll vote however you want. Weakening my own game. And I even turned myself into a huge cunt to psis off jury members, and trust me, it worked. Chad, Debb, Carter, Katie... (Ashley, if the bitch was here) would have never voted for me. You could have taken me to the Final 4 with Carter and Ralph and you'd still be fine. So to me, really, you're just showing that you were a complete pussy and too scared to face off. I actually suggested a Final 3 of me, Debb, and you, and you shot it down. You were scared.

Carter and Ralph, can you each tell the jury something personal about me and my life? I know you both took at least some time for that, so why don't oyu share and make Cochran look like a fool here?

Questions forthcoming. Don't worry, they're quick.


You know what, your right, I didn't have to take the both of you to the F4 and that doesn't make much sense for me to do so. I didn't believe you, as far as you voting however I want because why would you when you could possibly get rid of me? Plus, you were a threat in this game, and the fact that you have the narrative of being an underdog as well as a filthy cockroach is threatening. I don't feel bad about taking these two to the end because they were my allies, and you guys weren't. I didn't betray anyone that would have been me blatantly taking goats to the end, but it's more of me getting rid of my opposition. Lol I turned it down because I wanted to end this game with Ralph, and uh he kind of wasn't in your plan there, he and I were playing this together since day 1 and so I wasn't going to fuck him over so that I could be in a final 3 that would be considered more competitive (Mostly to you, because you would have been in it).

Call me a pussy all you want, I have already talked about why I am here with these people, and it's not because I don't think I had a shot against you, I definitely did. And as for them "making a fool of me" because I don't know ANYTHING about you, well you kind of didn't talk anything besides game to me after us fighting, and it was justified on both ends. I didn't want to do any outside of game talk with you because it was pretty obvious that you didn't care, and honestly at that point neither did I.
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